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in yesterday's diary...I was trying to suggest that the RW rhetoric of late was designed to single out the libruls as deserving of whatever comes next, and in the hysteria of what was (is) about to unfold, to hope that one unhinged nut or two did something stupid....therefore, the police would be called, and then they would have plausible claim (in their mind) to say there was a fascist police state and their claims that Obama is Hitler are justified.

It's a subtle nuance that I was consistently unable to get people to ponder when we're all just scanning headlines. One commenter even told me as such that there's no time to get the full meaning when skimming diaries is neccessary to keep up.

Ugh. quantity over quality. yeah, that'll work.

A "no-photo", "no-media" update from the Teabagging madness in Hazleton with Alan Keyes tonight below the fold...

My favorite sign tonight was

"Bind them with the chains of the Constitution"

...and I thought,

"Where was this noble patriot with all her chains and bondage fantasies during the last eight years????"
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Keyes was late in getting here, spoke for about 25 minutes of the 90 minutes the rally took place, and ended his tyrade with this:

"How many of you have ever realized that the last line of the Star Spangled Banner is a question?

'Oh say does that star-spangled banner yet wave, o'er the land of the free and the home of the brave'"

?

Somehow I've never heard it SUNG like a question -

Nevertheless, he then started a chant

" WE ARE THE FREE
WE ARE THE BRAVE
NEVER LET THEM TEAR THAT FLAG DOWN
NEVER LET THEM TEAR IT DOWN
NEVER LET THEM TEAR IT DOWN"

But if you allow yourself to get inside the headspace of these lunatics, Keyes implied words were as close as one could be to a call to arms -

"...before the answer to the answer to the question 'does that banner yet wave' turns out to be "no", we'd better start a revolution, attack this usurper un-american president and defeat these communist socialist tyrants..."

(my words, not his, but based on the cheering crowd, I'd have been hoisted upon their shoulders had I said them out loud)

keyes managed to bring up the birth certificate, the ACORN conspiracy, and the "undeserved" mortgage loans that were started under Clinton which we all know are the reasons the economy tanked.

I mean, after all - don't you all remember during the economic boom of the last few year that was fueled by all those new houses and real estate and banking - don't you remember the Republcans saying "we must stop all this unwarranted lending to unworthy people! Stop the lending because it's paying for all these houses and jobs and profits!"

You all heard that from Republicans, right?

One more thing:
It was funny how the health department reminded us that only 1 in 5 Americans smoke cigarettes; it was at least 3 out of 5 in this crowd, and they started the rally with a bitch-and-moan about how cigarette taxes are the fault of those nanny-state libruls.

Imagine an armed uprising against the President of the United States and history would recount that freedom to smoke cheaply was one of the patriotic causes that were openly declared...

I felt sick, I felt cold, and I felt like I really don't belong in this town. I managed to find one other guy in the crowd who was a Democrat (you could tell by our lack of cheering at the right/wrong moments) and he agreed that if I had walked over to the center of the crowd and announced that I was an atheist that I might not make it back home.

Tongue-in-cheek - but it felt different being the atheist, let me tell you, standing in a crowd of 100 or maybe 200 and listening to the rhetoric.

What the fuck is happening to this country?

I'll say it one more time: Bin Laden must be so pleased with himself; he hasn't done a thing in almost eight years and here we are doing all the work tearing the country apart from the inside so he doesn't have to.

Originally posted to snafubar on Wed Apr 15, 2009 at 11:51 PM PDT.

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  •  Tip Jar. Do you think, yes or no, that there's (21+ / 0-)

    still a chance that tonight was indeed the start of something ugly, and that in the coming days that the RW noise machine will claim it was liberal media bias that refused to show a "sea to shining sea, grass-roots, patriotic revolt"...which will become the rallying cry for a real (and eventually violent revolt)???

    George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

    by snafubar on Wed Apr 15, 2009 at 11:57:25 PM PDT

    •  Keyes was scary when he was here running (5+ / 0-)
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      against Obama.  He is even more scary now, imo.  

      Hope, change win; Barack Obama, your time is now

      by hyper on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 12:14:58 AM PDT

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      •  Keyes is certifable (2+ / 0-)
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        If I were a secret service I would have a pair or two of eyeballs on him at all times.

        •  Again, Keyes is to this story what Goebbels was (0+ / 0-)

          to Hitler - he's just a messenger of propaganda. The Secret Service would be foolish to waste time and resources watching Keyes because he's not the rabid gun owner with ammunitions and explosives stockpiled in his basement - he's just exercising free speech.

          - but the guy who DOES have the weapons and munitions was at the rally last night, whooping and whistling in the crowd whenever the tone of his voice went up.

          I wish I had videotaped all the SUV's and trucks parked along the road with USMC, NRA and Support our troops stickers on them.

          The crowd is the gasoline; Keyes is just a loud match.

          George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

          by snafubar on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 09:16:51 AM PDT

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    •  A tough experience for you, but (6+ / 0-)

      I'm loving these parties. The wingers are digging their hole ever deeper with each lunatic utterance they make.

      They are marginalizing the Republican party into a decades-long minority, if they don't kill it outright.

      Remember, Rush, as much as they love him, is loathed in this country by nearly everyone else. His approval ratings match Cheney's.

      Please, give them louder mics!

      No, I'm not worried about a violent revolution. There are far too few of them, they're not persuasive, and they don't have the guts. These people are toddlers throwing a temper tantrum because they lost.

      We will continue to get isolated winger violence though, I'm sure.

      May your entire existence be one sensuous, frolic-filled experience lived in defiance of care!

      by Fonsia on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 12:34:08 AM PDT

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      •  Keep in mind the Columbine kids.... (4+ / 0-)
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        you can love the negative attention that you think someone deserves, but they could be feeding on it like vinegar and eventually they're going to say they're not going to put up with the taste anymore -

        ...and if they come to the conclusion "Well, I've got a reputation as a bad/silly/strange/outcast person now, I might as well say 'fuckit' and get my money's worth for all the shit I'm taking...

        And that's how otherwise anonymous person become instantly famous for all the worst reasons.

        George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

        by snafubar on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 12:58:08 AM PDT

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      •  I'm with you (3+ / 0-)
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        I am not afraid of these people at all, I wouldn't stoke their fear though, or even mock them to their face..  

        As for this nation being safe, it 100% safe, the guards that gaurd this nation are fully aware and awake, thank goodness.

        •  And you're sure they can get to your house in (0+ / 0-)

          time when the entire force is called out?

          Let's see here...in the Viet Nam protests, the state governors called out the National Guard.

          Where is the balance of the national guard and all their equipment right now?

          Remember? So Rummy could get Shinseki canned and still claim they could run the war in Iraq with a slimmed down military, do it all without having to start a draft?

          Then the lying bastard went up there and told a fellow soldier "you go to war with the army you have, not the army  you want??"

          Just something to consider.

          I can't find the link right now, but I think it was Governor of Louisiana, (napolitano?) who after Katrina pointed out that her own state's national guard was gone when she wanted to call them out.

          George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

          by snafubar on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 09:12:12 AM PDT

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      •  Just so - they're on the way out (2+ / 0-)
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        This isn't a "beginning," this is how it ends for them. Distilled down to the crazy dregs.

        Every day's another chance to stick it to The Man. - dls.

        by The Raven on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 04:17:52 AM PDT

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        •  That's what the optimists says. (1+ / 0-)
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          Keep this in mind -

          For those RW Christians who believe wholeheartedly in the "end of days" eschatology crap, realize that in the Revelation sequence, the world is destroyed before Jesus comes back and the final judgment and God creates utopia for all eternity.

          in other words - when it looks like the worst we've ever seen is actually unfolding before our eyes, these clowns will think that's evidence of the greatest thing they could ever hope for  - the thing that they've been waiting for all their lives -

          do you think they're going to scream "STOP!" or

          "MORE GASOLINE!
          GET MORE GASOLINE!"

          George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

          by snafubar on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 09:07:27 AM PDT

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          •  The organized hate groups are being monitored (0+ / 0-)

            That's what the press release was about yesterday, that right-wing groups pose the most serious internal threat.

            But those are already existing groups like the Aryan Nation and other white supremacist groups. The gov't has been watching them for decades. In fact, that study yesterday was requested by the Bush administration.

            The teabag crowd are mostly racists, sure, but they're not the Aryan Nation.

            Isolated violence, like the guy who killed the policemen in Pittsburgh, or the O'Reilly fan who killed the people at the church, that kind of thing I expect will continue.

            But armed revolution? From these clowns? Nah.

            May your entire existence be one sensuous, frolic-filled experience lived in defiance of care!

            by Fonsia on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 05:58:27 PM PDT

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    •  NO, but your question is vague, so ... (2+ / 0-)
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      Do you think, yes or no, that there's still a chance that tonight was indeed the start of something ugly

      something ugly ain't a scientific term

      do I think ugly things will happen, yes

      do I think this is the start of a mass protest movement ???

      NO FUCKING WAY

      these people are a fucking joke

      I got 28 houses on my block, and every one of them is full of people laughing at these assholes

      so unless 70% of the population dies laughing at these assholes, they're just the start of something that is FUNNY AS A RUBBER CRUTCH

      but they will incite small ugly incidents

      •  The point of tonights update and especially (1+ / 0-)
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        last nights diary is" it is the small incidents that will lead to larger ones.

        Have you ever read "Burn, Baby Burn" about the 1965 Watts riots, or read the in-depth timeline about the LA riots of Rodney King fame?

        it always starts with something small; and the more instantaneous our media is, and the more outlets and methods to deliver it there are, the easier it is for the news to take hold  -- and the harder it is to put a lid on it.

        George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

        by snafubar on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 01:25:18 AM PDT

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        •  yeah, but "incidents" is a vague term (1+ / 0-)
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          there is a difference between the Watts riots, the riots after the verdict in the Rodney King case, and "incidents" like the bombing of the Murrah federal building in Oklahoma City

          I wouldn't worry about the first two types of "incidents" resulting from the teabaggers, but I believe the third type is practically a given in the current climate

          The riots you speak of were ignited by specific actions that angered a large group of people in a small geographical area (a police shooting and a flawed jury verdict), and they took place directly adjacent to the event which sparked them (time wise)

          the Oklahoma City bombing was an act that was inspired by a botched police raid, but took place a year after the event that was the supposed cause (I don't believe a single fucking word those assholes say)

          I'm pretty sure there are "Nuts and assholes" out there right now and I figure one or two will manage to cause some "Ugliness"

          in fact, we've already seen one church shooting and a shooting of three police officers that are directly traceable to the wingnuts

          it's the price to pay when you live in a country where the stupid half and the armed half ar on the same side of the scale

          they're stupid, they got guns, and occasionally, they're gonna kill someone besides themselves

          •  I'm agreeing with you on one hand, but (1+ / 0-)
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            I think there is a parallel train of thought you're not with me yet on.

            incidentally, the recent church shooting was not the first; there was the Tennessee UUC church last year (four wounded, two dead) and there was the point-blank assassination of Bill Gwatney, head of the Arkansas Democratic party.

            Both of those were also directly related to wingnuts; Atkisson said he shot the people in the church because he wanted to shoot liberals but couldn't reach the ones he wanted; therefore anyone he could reach was good enough.

            not to be belligerent, but I still think you're missing how I think the cycle will spin (on purpose) out of control.

            The Right (after all the 'free speech zones' of the Bush years) is now claiming that Obama is running a police state. Limbaugh openly declared that all the MSM is directly under the orders of John Podesta and therefore Obama.

            But try to acknowledge the extra step I'm throwing in:

            It's one thing to say they have a few loose cannons who will act out on their own and shoot a few here and there in unrelated acts of madness.

            But what happens when a small gathering attracts the local police - who don't do anything but stand there and show their badges.

            Step 2:

            Hey! Look at that! The fucking bastards put out all of this police presence that was never called for! This is evidence of the police state!

            Now, they are not just objecting to Obama as the illegitimate usurper president with bad ideas he has yet to carry out; now they have what they think will be the first example of him already having done it.

            (have you seen the email going around about the "miles" of chain-link fence in the deserts of the US that are supposed to be evidence of the concentration camps that Obama is planning to fill with political prisoners?)

            Step 3: Since now they have what they think is "proof" that Obama really is a fascist dictator and is about to turn the country into an Islamic theocracy, now the cry will be that unless we stop him now, the country will be lost.

            Trust me, if I can get my video posted, or if anyone else who shot one puts it up, ALan Keyes in Hazleton tonight said as much in his closing remarks -

            I dunno... I wish I could go sit on Mauna Kea in Hawaii with the giant telescopes and for the next year just enjoy the thin air and the clear night skies and believe we're all going to be OK, but for a species who in large numbers believe in a supreme being with a greater plan, they have a tragic history of creating their own ugly history based on their fear of what the other guy will do...when the other guy never actually has to do it for it all to go wrong.

            George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

            by snafubar on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 02:18:47 AM PDT

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            •  there just ain't enough of em (2+ / 0-)
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              nobody, and I mean NOBODY I know is participating in these tea baggers' delusions

              we might see a "Ruby Ridge" or "Waco" type incident

              but we ain't gonna see a popular uprising in the cities that spreads like the riots in LA

              people just AIN'T pissed off

              they hear about lushbo limpballs' deranged warbblings, and they wonder what the fuck lushbo is talking about as they send their children to public schools every morning

              and when they pick their kids up, they still wonder what lushbo is upset about today

              lushbo was siding with young African American men, and against America yesterday, btw

              99% of America sees thru lushbo limpballs' bullshit and blather

              if any of these stupid fucks tries to come on my block, they're in for a surprise

              they're a JOKE

              •  I'm guessing you live in an area that's (0+ / 0-)

                mostly liberal.

                It's different when the numbers of Republicans in an area is 4 to 1.

                And the line about your "surprise" -

                don't do that.

                That's their line about promoting more guns every time someone gets shot with a gun.

                Read my diary about Binghamton. "Ill show you, you bastards, cause' I"m ready for you" is exactly what I'm talking about Zapp when 10,000 people who all think they're the only one all start to fire for their own reasons on their own schedule that the wildfire takes off.

                George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

                by snafubar on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 09:02:49 AM PDT

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                •  we fight with laughter (1+ / 0-)
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                  and if it isn't us laughing, the wingnut in question would find another excuse

                  don't try to blame these fools' actions on me

                  if you act like a fuckin KOOK, I got a right to say you're acting like a fucking kook

                  and if my neighbors agree we me, the odds are pretty good that you're acting like a fucking kook

                  I should probably let you know that my neighbors think I'm a fucking kook (they figure that much political knowledge and passion ain't natural) but I'm THEIR Kook

                  •  I'll accept your good natured tone and thank you (0+ / 0-)

                    for it.

                    I'm pretty grim and solemn lately.

                    As much as population growth has been an issue with environmental and economic concerns, one might think that on a "mortal body economics" level, there's a certain degree of relief provided by homicide.

                    It is rather shocking when you put both population growth and the surreal quantities and methods we can all die and kill each other by; makes me wonder how many people would be on this planet (and if we would last any longer) if we weren't killing each other over the stupid shit (because then we'd be doing it over food and essentials)

                    My worst nightmares is when the two branches of killing meet one another -

                    I agree that if someone acts like a fucking kook, I'm surely not going to quietly sit in a corner and pretend I didn't notice. But I don't own a gun either.

                    Shit - have you read my writing? If they didn't catch me, I'd be in the serial killer hall of fame by now. Cowards with a temper should not have weaponry.

                    Just a theory -

                    Peace. (ahem; yeah, I know...like we're going to see that in our lifetime...)

                    George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

                    by snafubar on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 03:36:10 PM PDT

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                    •  what the fuck ??? (0+ / 0-)

                      dude, ya lost me

                      As much as population growth has been an issue with environmental and economic concerns, one might think that on a "mortal body economics" level, there's a certain degree of relief provided by homicide.

                      waaaaaaa ??? (head explosion)

                      where did that come from ???

                      you been readin stranger shit than I been readin

                      I got concerns about the future, but we ain't even in the same ballpark here

                      I'm just talking about "run of the mill" kooks. If they ain't being set off by Democrats winning elections, they would find some other justification for their rantings and their hatred

                      it's really about "teh crazy". All of the "reasons" are just window dressing. they might just as as well hate mondays

                      you seem to be worried about the effects of over population

                      the mooks that were protesting yesterday ain't got the brain power to contemplate the sort of scenarios you are projecting, much less be able to formulate a response

                      we're talking about individual marginalized idiots, not organized commodities competitors

                      90% of the morans who were protesting can not express a coherent message of what they are protesting, even if the individual really KNOWS what the protest was about

                      •  not meant to be an endorsement, just observation (0+ / 0-)

                        Although population growth is still out of control in less developed countries, and worldwide although birth rates are down in advanced societies, their life expectency has risen accordingly and the population still grows.

                        But here in the US. the birth rate finally matched the replacement rate a couple of years ago. In short, birth control and our changing social mores about having children overall in this country, coupled with the number of ways we kill each other through violence and stupid accidents and our own bad habits, has finally got the US birth rate to match the death rate.

                        It's totally disproportionate - minorities have almost four times the number of children that the minorities do, which is why the crazies are starting to find an audience again...they think we're running out of white people.

                        My point was that we kill each other and die of our own stupid reasons in such absurd numbers, that our population would really explode if we grew up and started behaving.

                        It was meant as a tongue-in-cheek observation, not a tacit approval of a great plan.

                        George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

                        by snafubar on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 04:08:25 PM PDT

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                        •  apples and oranges (1+ / 0-)
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                          there is a lot of room between resource warfare and what the nutters are up to now

                          what we're seeing now is racisim and redirected anger

                          the nutters are pissed off at the repuglitard party, and they're too cowardly to admit it

                          so they lash out at any convienient target

                          it's totally different than the population explosion problems we are gonna face

                          the nutters got no clue about that, and they would react badly if anybody tried to suggest population controls

                          that's what the commies do, dontchaknow ???

                          the nutters are a lot more ignorant than you think, but they know a commie plot when they hear it

                          (wink)

                          •  I know they're more ignorant; that's why they're (0+ / 0-)

                            more dangerous and why the tactics will get more bizarre as the shit gets deeper; and the rabid audience will continue to go after the dumber and more radical ideas by degrees until it becomes a violent revolution one way or another.

                            George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

                            by snafubar on Fri Apr 17, 2009 at 03:00:13 PM PDT

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        •  The Watts riot and Rodney King (1+ / 0-)
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          exposed and verified anger about things people were actually living with on a daily basis; they had nothing to do with grudges spoon-fed to people by the media. These teabaggers barely know what they are protesting, and what they say they are protesting isn't anything they're experiencing: it's just random resentment. There's nothing to "put a lid on" because there is really ntohing there. I saw the people on TV yesterday: they're going back to their comfortable middle-class homes in Strongsville or Ashtabula where they don't have a thing to complain about and bitch and moan vaguerly about what Fox "News" tells them is wrong. They are not out there proesting things that have affected their lives.

          Rob Portman: He sent your job to China.

          by anastasia p on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 05:38:58 AM PDT

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          •  Read what you wrote again, and think about it (0+ / 0-)

            The Watts riot and Rodney King exposed and verified anger about things people were actually living with on a daily basis...

            really?

            Who is it that they think took their jobs?

            foreigners and immigrants

            Who is it that they have been told is responsible?

            Bill Clinton and NAFTA

            Who is it that tanked their 401k and forced them to work longer before retiring, or wiped them out completely?

            ACORN and Barack Obama because he gave house loans to blacks and immigrants and the poor on welfare and social security who never should have had one.

            Sure sounded to me like a passionate connection between what's wrong in their daily lives and how to unleash the hounds on who is to blame for it.

            It sounds a lot different when you're standing in the rally and you can hear the set-up, and then the wicked cheers and whistles in the response.

            I think it's very much the same; because Rodney King was about seeking vengeance for every black guy who got beat up by white cops for no good reason; Watts was started over a traffic stop gone wrong as well. It's about forming a connection between the mob and what's wrong in their lives, and then pointing out that the people who are to blame are the political opposition.

            Did I mention that of three of the four people who spoke - with the exception of Keyes - were all local Republican candidates for office who are up for either a primary or full election in May?

            I guess I forgot that. My mistake.

            George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

            by snafubar on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 08:58:00 AM PDT

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      •  Actually, it may be the end of "something ugly" (1+ / 0-)
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        that has been going on for a long time. Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck have been stoking division and hate for a long long time. Now they're becoming mockable and pitiable. The only downside is they are playing to the loons and so more of them will be shooting their families to prvent them from living under "socialism" or walking into liberal churches and shooting.

        Rob Portman: He sent your job to China.

        by anastasia p on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 05:36:12 AM PDT

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        •  ugly never ends (1+ / 0-)
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          charlatans like lushbo limpballs will always be able to find some suckers

          there's a sucker born every minute ???

          •  Ha! That's PT Barnum's line...to which I add (1+ / 0-)
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            There's a sucker born every minute.

            But if we throw in terrorism, your job, and the lake of fire if you don't follow us - shit, I bet we can get it down to 1.6 seconds!!!!

            George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

            by snafubar on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 08:50:19 AM PDT

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        •  The only downside is (0+ / 0-)

          The only downside is they are playing to the loons and so more of them will be shooting their families to prvent them from living under "socialism" or walking into liberal churches and shooting.

          ...might be the only downside, anastasia, but it's a pretty wicked price to pay, doncha think?

          would it be so easy to speak those words if the people being killed were those close to you, or you?

          We don't often think of things in those terms; I consistently do, and I guess that's why I'm always so goddamn depressed.

          George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

          by snafubar on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 08:48:10 AM PDT

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    •  I give you a tip for Hazleton (2+ / 0-)
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      my mother grew up there.  in the last ten years I've been there exactly three times, but when I was a kid we'd visit on every major holiday.

      I remember reading a year ago or so that Keyes showed up there to praise the town for its discriminatory attitude towards the Latino population there.  when I mentioned this to relatives they pointed out that not very long ago in Hazleton, Mr. Keyes himself would not have been welcome, on account of his race...

      •  I don't know what your tip was - it sounds like (0+ / 0-)

        a small town filled with small minds who just lost their jobs and their retirement simply changed targets.

        My uncle (now dec'd) who was born in 1906 used to say the same thing and tell me how it was that way about blacks here in his younger years; I don't see that simply switching bogeymen for all that goes wrong is a great deal of difference.

        Would you find it so easy to be so cavalier if you happened to be a member of the groups that are the new bogeyman????

        George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

        by snafubar on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 09:23:22 AM PDT

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    •  the ugly part started with the impeachment of (3+ / 0-)
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      Bill Clinton.

      From that point on the right has made painfully clear that they will do whatever it takes to win power, keep power and in the cases where they fail at the first two cripple the other guy IN power.

      If they get the least amount of traction with this tea baggery I expect at least a few shots being fired before the fourth of July.

      •  That was what made me get involved with politics (2+ / 0-)
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        I never have been active; but the "Arkansas Project" with R. Mellon Scaife is what woke me up that money is a very lethal form of "free speech"

        And I've said it a hundred times here alone; a thousand in person -

        how in the HELL are we ever going to be able to explain to our future generations why we pursued one president (Clinton) for over two years about a real estate deal that he lost money on that took place before he was president, a panty raid about two homely girls that weren't his wife, and a lie about a question regarding what sexual act he performed with one of them that only twenty years prior no one would have had the temerity to even ask a sitting president -

        but the very next president was a guy who started an illegal war on bullshit evidence, then fucked it up beyond belief, still never caught the terrorist who actually attacked the country; all the time he and his administration willfully and wantonly defied our international treaty obligations, authorized war crimes, and violated the Constitution of the United States to spy on Americans and turn the Justice Department into a de facto cabinet "department of political vendettas" - and that President (who admit he lied about not answering questions regarding cocaine he did snort)  was never even asked one single question under oath.

        Our kids will laugh in our faces when we try to tell them that history is important, and that those who won't learn it are condemned to repeat it....we had supposedly learned it, and look what we did with it.

        Ugh. Well thanks for the sympathy anyway.

        George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

        by snafubar on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 04:00:20 PM PDT

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    •  You are overrreacting (0+ / 0-)

      No, yesterday was the desperate — and failing - attempting to revive something that had success with in the 90s — demonizing and destroying a Democratically elected president through smears, in this case often crossing the line into treason.  No, "in the coming days," the cannot and will not claim any such thing, because they received saturation coverage on every outlet — compared, say, to the virtual media blackout on the September, 2005 antiwar march in D.C. which attracted more people than teabagged across the entire country yesterday. A "violent revolt?" No - most of these people are disgruntled, disorganized, whining cowards — the same people who rabidly supported Bush's war but didn't enlist. Provoking individual acts of violence by the unbalanced? Very likely. You have to stop listening to kooks like Alan Keyes and thinking they represent a movement.

      Rob Portman: He sent your job to China.

      by anastasia p on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 05:33:14 AM PDT

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      •  You're awfully cocksure about all that (0+ / 0-)

        Again, I've said it in both diaries of the last two days - if I'm overreacting, then after the sun comes out again and all is wine and roses in America once more, you can all come over to my house and egg the place and tar and feather me for my pointless chicken-little attitude.

        Then again, what do I get if there's a riot?

        "Ooops, my bad"?

        George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

        by snafubar on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 09:18:47 AM PDT

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  •  If iti wasn't scary it would be funny (2+ / 0-)
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    You have all these "centrist" Dems bending over backwards to appease and accomodate every whim of the teabaggers and the rest of their brethren, "reaching out across the aisle for bipartisan comity" as it were.  But despite all that comity and appeasement and capitulation, Harry Reid  is still  viewed by the objexts of centrist affection as some sort of Pol Pot.

    "When the government becomes a lawbreaker, it invites every man to become a law unto himself." ~ Justice Brandeis

    by ActivistGuy on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 12:18:43 AM PDT

    •  I think my next diary is about the bully who used (2+ / 0-)
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      to beat me up for five years in elementary school. When we were in gym class and the teacher was telling us about wrestling, there were "rules"; choke holds were not allowed, and cheap shots like biting and other savageries were completely out of the question.

      This one kid was a grade behind me and a year older than I was; you can imagine that in 2nd-5th grade, that's an appreciable size difference.

      And I always fought fair, and he pummeled me for four years.

      Then finally I realized that there was no referee; no gym teacher - no rules.

      So I put the sonofabitch in a headlock and held on for life until he turned blue. Just so happened his bigger sister showed up at just that moment to pull me off of him ....(where was she for four years?)

      ...but the point is he never bothered me again after that.

      Now that's a shitty lesson - because it means that playing by the rules I got screwed, and only by going completely out of bounds did I "win" -

      And I realize that we are facing a Republican party that is filled with individual loaded weapons that are about to make the same choice I made that day and they will say "fuck the rules, we're losing here"

      So it's hard for me to also say that Republicans have pulled out all the stops and it's time for us to recognize that if we play by the rules we're going to have our head handed to us on a platter;

      can we play by the rules, be gentlemen and gentlelady's and earn respect by staying within the bounds, or by the nature of the fight right now, are we going to get run over by the people who have declared that rules are for cowards when they think the country is on the verge of being "lost".

      It's all very sick - because Democrats, particularly Obama are rightfully trying to take the country back to where it once was in the eyes of the world by declaring that we will obey the rules and rights we did before Bush said 'no holds barred'; and at the same time, within the country, those former Bush supporters have now turned their angst on Democrats as if we're the terrorists.

      That's why I find it hard to get out of bed, because I can't see how this all is not going to lead to something truly sick, tragic, and violent that will take decades for us all to recover from - if we do.

      George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

      by snafubar on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 01:19:13 AM PDT

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  •  Very true statement (7+ / 0-)

    Bin Laden must be so pleased with himself; he hasn't done a thing in almost eight years and here we are doing all the work tearing the country apart from the inside so he doesn't have to.

    The Republicans are using the same terrorist teachings

    Deep down inside you secretly long for a cold-hearted Republican to lower taxes, brutalize criminals, and rule you like a king.

    by Milton Fine on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 12:23:55 AM PDT

  •  Honestly, no. (3+ / 0-)
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    Do you think, yes or no, that there's still a chance that tonight was indeed the start of something ugly, and that in the coming days that the RW noise machine will claim it was liberal media bias that refused to show a "sea to shining sea, grass-roots, patriotic revolt"...which will become the rallying cry for a real (and eventually violent revolt)???

    I think this is their kumbaya moment before the last fizzles of wind in their sails poofs out on them. ymmv.

    •  They have an advantage the left doesn't (2+ / 0-)
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      The "moderates", the "centrists", and most importantly, the "establishment" figures on their side of the fence won't be cutting them off at the knees, won't be using the other side's language to ridicule, demean, and marginalize them, won't be kissing up to the other side and throwing their own side's protesters under the bus in the name of "pragmatism".  It's a luxury we on the left can't even dream of any more, never mind use as part of our political calculus.

      "When the government becomes a lawbreaker, it invites every man to become a law unto himself." ~ Justice Brandeis

      by ActivistGuy on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 01:03:35 AM PDT

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    •  I've openly admitted that I hope you're right (3+ / 0-)

      but statistically, and in the spirit of all the ugliness that just seems to be flying around in the air now like so much sand in a sandstorm -

      I'm just afraid that this country is primed right now that it will not take much to blow a big hole in something, and the attitude that "now is our time, now is our moment" can always be heard by just the wrong person who takes just the wrong approach to what he thinks is a good idea.

      Try to imagine the mentality of the losing team after that "poof" you mentioned...and then just try to wrap your head around the idea that this is not a game for so many.

      I've said something else that dovetails with this:

      The wife of the RW neighbor I talk about so much always says "I don't vote" - why? My theory is that if people think all politicians are rotten and corrupt, they don't vote because if they do happen to vote, and then the guy they voted for turns out to be a crook or a liar or a fraud, then they feel responsible - and they can't handle that. They don't want to be burdened with guilt if they back the wrong horse.

      So I think a lot of the backlash amongst the Republicans is that they do know that it was Republican policies and politicians who did just as much if not more damage to this country; but their pride just wont' let them face or admit that, and this backlash is like a two-year old having a tantrum - they just have to get it out of their system and they don't know or care how wrong they are, it's just got to be somebody's fault but their own.

      George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

      by snafubar on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 01:06:43 AM PDT

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  •  I've ALWAYS heard it as a question (3+ / 0-)
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    ever since I played little league baseball

    Oh say does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave ???

    Over the Land of the free ???

    and the home of the Braves ???

    did I mention that I played for the Braves ???

    that might have had something to do with it ...

    (wink)

    •  Jose can you see? Ok, thanks for the light (0+ / 0-)

      moment there.

      Can you keep coming back and doing that so I don't pull the shades and go back to bed?

      :)

      George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

      by snafubar on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 01:21:15 AM PDT

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  •  I did not read your Kristallnacht diary (1+ / 0-)
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    But yesterday I was saying that in a worst case scenario something like that might happen. Luckily the "parties" were for the most part poorly-attended and white supremacists, skinheads, and desperate, paranoid folks left their guns at home.

    If wanting the country to succeed is wrong, I don't want to be right.

    by Angela Quattrano on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 01:45:08 AM PDT

    •  I realize that it's hard to make this clear, but (0+ / 0-)

      the point of both last night's diary and this one is that it's because the parties were a bust that they will

      a.) blame the left-wing media for the parties being a bust, because they 'censored' the coverage

      b.) because yesterday was a bust to us, it wasn't a bust to those who watch Fox or visit the RW blogs - they claim that yesterday was not only a massive success, but proof that the media is out to get them and run by Obama.

      That's why I said yesterday was a beginning and not the end, because it's the fact that yesterday was a bust that will think they have to redouble their efforts.

      I guess time will tell us.

      George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

      by snafubar on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 09:35:10 AM PDT

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  •  I'm gonna say No. (2+ / 0-)
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    A week ago, it would have been, "I dunno; could be," but a number of elements came together to seriously de-nut these baggers:

    1.  Lots of people learned what "teabag" was slang for.
    1.  Lots of sympathizers learned how scripted and sponsored their "grassroots" movement was.
    1.  The weather.
    1.  Gov. Rick Perry's speech

    Many who might have been enthusiastic about this "uprising" a short time ago declined to participate yesterday, making the whole effort seem lame, laughable and peopled by nutcases.  

    grumble grumble mutter mutter

    by Crashing Vor on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 04:43:55 AM PDT

    •  Would you please come over here and explain (1+ / 0-)
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      that to my neighbors and family (estranged)?

      Because they see that as a reason to redouble their efforts because all their worst nightmares are coming true.

      I'm trying to point out that we who are lucid and sober see it as a bust.

      To the paranoid and delusional addled mind, they see yesterday as evidence of an oppressive state-run media campaign that shut them out, and now Fox News and Limbaugh are going to be their go-to heros to fill them in on how to rise up the next time  and get it right.

      That's why Keyes ended with the chant

      "Do not let them tear it down"

      Someone in the crowd mentioned July 4 -

      You really think this is over?

      F**K - I would sleep so much easier if I could just believe that, and go back to being normal again.

      The latest economic news said there is a positive shift in the economy....which will lag six months to a year behind any change in the housing or job market, and therefore the forecast for foreclosures is expected to see a sharp RISE in the next few months to a year, which could start the cycle all over again.

      Or did the librul media just brainwash me....?

      I'm trying hard to be optimistic and think these clowns are all just bluster and they'll go home silently in shame.

      But a lot of people who feel shame decide to take it out on someone else.

      Let's get together again after the Fourth of July and we can measure how the country has come back together again...or not.

      I'd like nothing more to have egg on my face in a few months and see that the country is back on it's feet and rolling and the Republicans are now the most popular cartoons and bobble-head dolls.

      I'd like to be proven wrong about all this, really.

      George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

      by snafubar on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 09:32:00 AM PDT

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